When I had learned about Janine Antoni and Stelarc, it was curious to me that they were both body artists who used their own bodies in their work yet were so completely different. Stelarc's work shocked me, and in an interview, Janine Antoni described her work as extreme. I began to wonder what would happen if Anotni and Stelarc had a discussion about their work and their viewpoints on the body. This is what my mind came up with.
Today we’ve been lucky enough to speak with two well-known and respected artists, Janine Antoni and Stelarc, about their views on the body and its prevalence in their works. Antoni uses her body in her works as a way to relate to the world around her. Stelarc is well known for his avant-garde and futuristic view on the body, blending together his own body and technological advances in his work. They will be speaking with each other, discussing their own viewpoints and how their perspective has influenced their work.
Both of use focus on the body in your works. What has led you to the focus on such topic, and how does your perspective appear in or influence your work?
Antoni: I’ve always focused on the process of making my works, and how my body becomes part of the process in the art making. In that way, my body has become a tool. These extreme acts that I do with my body and my experience in my own body is something that the viewer can sort of relate to, as they have a body too. My work not only focuses on our own human bodies but how we relate to other beings. It’s interesting to view animals and have some sort of intimate relationship with them. They too have bodies.
Stelarc: My work focuses on the idea that the human body is obsolete. I’m interested in exploring what the body can do, what can be done with and to the body, and what the body can become. What I share with the viewer isn’t the experience of having a body, but having this biological structure that pushed to great limits. We’ve developed technology that can be used to redesign the body and its functionality. We live in an age where we’ve already blurred the line of what it means to have a body and what is natural. We can grow stem cells, engineer organs, and keep a comatose body alive. I use my own body in my works see how we improve upon the body.
Antoni, it’s interesting to hear you call your works “extreme.” You often call your performances tender acts. Why do you consider yourself extreme? Your works are much more tame in comparison to Stelarc’s. And Stelarc, do you ever feel like your works are too extreme? How do you feel about the viewer’s responses? I’m sure that many people are shocked by your work.
Antoni: Sure. My works aren’t extreme in the same way as Stelarc’s work. He focuses more on what can be done to the body; I want to explore what can be done with the body. I want to alter how people view the body, without altering the body. The extremity of my work and performances come from doing unusual things with my body to explore an idea. It’s not so much of physical pushing my body to its absolute limits, but pushing our perception of our bodies to its limits. In my work, Loving Care, I soak my hair in Loving Care hair dye, get on all fours and mop the floor with my hair. I used my body in an abnormal, an even physical uncomfortable way, to explore ideas of feminity and identity. I feel like viewer’s can relate to simple acts such as this and understand the discomfort of such an act, only with understanding the submissiveness of such pose.
Stelarc: I’m not extreme for the sake of being extreme or for pure shock value. My intentions are to get to viewer thinking about what is possible with the technology we have at hand today. In fact, I would argue that my ideas are not that extreme. These technologies aren’t new. We do extreme things everyday already with the technology we have. We can use these technologies to extend the operations of our body.
Both of you use your own body in your works and have mentioned that your body is tool. How do you both view and use the body as a tool?
Stelarc: The body isn’t so much of a tool as it is a machine or a structure with pure functionality. The body is a sort of evolutionary architecture, and is a means of operating and moving throughout the world.
Antoni: I don’t feel like the body needs to be modified or redesigned. I feel that the body that we have can already be used to do so much. There is a certain beauty in what we can already do with our body and what we can do as humans. There are so many ideas regarding the body that are either taken for granted or are unexplored. My piece Eureka from 1993 was inspired by Archimedes, who discovered that he could figure out capacity when he used his body to displace water in the bathtub. The body can be used as a tool for experiment, and we can come to knowledge and understanding by using our body.
Stelarc: I don’t view the body as a way to gain knowledge, but I view knowledge and our technological advances a way to improve upon the body. The body becomes a sculptural medium for exploring the limits to which we can push our body. I’ve done several body suspension performances over the years, placing hooks in my skin and suspending myself in air. The skin then becomes a support for the body, and my body becomes just a sculpture within the space.
You’ve expressed how you view the body and what you’ve done with your body. But what do you hope to achieve through your works? What do you want the viewer to take away from your pieces?
Antoni: Obviously the interpretation of my works is up to the viewer to make on their own, through their own experiences and what they can take away from the piece. However, I like to explore these everyday activities or experiences that everyone can relate to. Having a body just isn’t about having a physical existence, but is a way to experience what is around us and to relate to others. It’s curious to me that soap is made of lard, meaning we wash the body with the body. Lard has then become a common medium in my works. For example in my work Lick and Lather, also made in 1993, I made fourteen busts of myself, seven in chocolate and seven in soap. I then licked the chocolate and washed with the soap, therefore feeding myself with my self and washing myself with my self.
Stelarc: I want to show the world what we do with the body and how we can extend its operations. I want the viewer to be able to engage themselves in these acts that I perform. In my piece Ping Body I allow viewers to remotely send electric signals to my body over the internet causing involuntary movements. It represents the control and power technology has over our bodies. I, like Antoni, base my works from everyday activities, though it may not be as obvious at first. Our world today is run by the internet and our technological advances. We are able to give people transplants and use technology to view the the insides of our body. These technologies are not brand new; the surgery to place this third ear on my arm was not revolutionary. It’s just a matter of how we view ourselves and what we can do with these technologies to improve upon our body and its function.
I think it’s interesting to hear both of your perspectives. You’re both well-respected performance body artists and performance artists who have put yourselves in your pieces, but have incredibly different viewpoints and messages within your work. Both of your views are valid and intriguing. I think it’s possible to view the body from both of your perspectives – thinking about what the body can do and what the body could be. I’m curious to see what the both of you will create and present to us next.
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Janine Antoni, Lick and Lather, 1993. Chocolate and Soap, each 24 x 16 x 13
Busts of herself made with chocolate and soap. Antoni licked the chocolate and washed herself with the soap. |
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Janine Antoni, Loving Care, 1993. Hair dye on gallery floor.
Antoni soaks her hair in hair dye and mops the gallery floor with it. |
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Stelarc, Third Ear, 2007. Cell-cultivated ear on left arm.
Stelarc surgically attached a cell-cultivated ear on his left arm. |
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Stelarc, Suspension Performance, 1984, Performance
Stelarc suspends in body in mid-air by hooks pierced through the skin. |